Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Evidence 4 the Sequence of the Sayings in my previous post, I gave a.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Simplified illustration to show why it is problematic to get rid of the Q.
[00:00:13] Speaker A: Source, the hypothetical collection of sayings found in both Matthew and Luke, but not in Mark. Having this hypothetical source does not actually complicate the solution of the synoptic problem.
[00:00:25] Speaker B: It makes the solution simpler.
[00:00:27] Speaker A: Supposing there was a Q is not a perfect solution, but it is better than the alternatives in my opinion. As my doktorvater Bruce Metzger used to say about Q and other things, it.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: Is the least problematic solution.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: The reason it makes simplest and best.
[00:00:46] Speaker B: Sense is because of the sequence of.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: The sayings of these double traditions, the technical term for the sayings material in.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: The two Gospels of Matthew and Luke.
[00:00:56] Speaker A: But not in Mark.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Unlike many of the narratives of these texts, these double tradition sayings invariably occur.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: In different places in the two Gospels. Why is that? It would make sense if both of them have a source with a collection of Jesus sayings but did not have a narrative they fit into. The source would simply be more or less a list of sayings given without a narrative context for them.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Kinda like later in the Gospel of.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Thomas, which has 114 sayings but no stories. If that was indeed the case, that is, if Q was their source, Matthew and Luke would have each taken the.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: Various sayings and simply stuck them into.
[00:01:40] Speaker A: Their narrative accounts wherever they each thought it made the best sense.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: Rarely would they put them in the same place or in the same sequence.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: And that is in fact what we find, as I'll show below.
But if there was no cue and Luke took these sayings from Matthew, then you would expect that a lot of the time, or most of the time.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: He would simply put them in the.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: Same context Matthew did. Why not? And why move them like nearly all of them? But that in fact is what we.
[00:02:11] Speaker B: Find when Luke has sayings also found in Matthew. They're almost always somewhere else in the narrative.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Why would that be? It's not that Luke puts all of.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: These sayings in more logical or sensible places. He sometimes will gather sayings also found in Matthew together when they are separated.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: In Matthew, but even then the order of the sayings is different.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: Or take sayings found together in Matthew.
[00:02:36] Speaker A: And scatter them hither and yon. If Q did not exist and Luke.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Did get these sayings from Matthew, it's not only odd that he decided to.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Rearrange nearly all of them, but but it's also hard to figure out exactly how he did it. Suppose Luke was copying both Mark and.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Matthew and he came to a saying.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: In Matthew, not in Mark. How did he know it was not in Mark, whether in the same part.
[00:03:02] Speaker B: Of the narrative as Matthew or somewhere else?
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Did he reread Mark every time he found a saying in Matthew?
[00:03:08] Speaker B: Saying after saying after saying?
[00:03:11] Speaker A: It's possible, I guess, but it seems.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: Really implausible to me.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Far less plausible than that.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Luke and Matthew both had access to another source that had a bunch of.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Sayings the Lord's Prayer, the Beatitudes, this or that parable, a bunch of one liners, but no narrative context for them, and each simply put them where it seemed to make the best sense.
[00:03:35] Speaker B: So are the sequences of these double traditions so different?
[00:03:39] Speaker A: There follows a chart Double tradition materials.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: In Luke are fairly fast and furious.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Starting in chapter 10, but you could do the whole shooting match if you wanted. Again, the places where the double traditions are in the same sequence are when they are attached to stories that both Matthew and Luke got from Mark that.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Are the only sensible place for the.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: Sayings, for example the preaching of John the Baptist or the temptations of Jesus in the wilderness. So starting with Luke 10, here are the next 46 double tradition, that is.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: Potentially Q sayings numbered sequentially in the.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: Lucan order 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. In one column and then with an indication of their numerical sequence in Matthew in the other.
As you'll see, the first 10 sequences.
[00:04:28] Speaker B: In Luke 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 are sequenced as 14, 23, 21, 24, 29, 6, 11, 25, 28 and 27 in Matthew. If you reverse engineer it, the first 10 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8910 in Matthew are Numbers 35:11, 39 27:46 22 12:37 21 in Luke okay, then, I've taken the list of sayings and used the descriptions of each from www.earlychristianwritings.com q-contents.HTML 1. The Mission Speech 1st in Luke 10:2 12:14 in Matthew 9, 37, 38 and 10 7. 16 Damu Chorazin 2nd in Luke 10:13 15:23 in Matthew 11:21 24 Rejecting the Sender 3rd in Luke 10:16 21 Matthew 10:40 Father and Son 4th in Luke 10:21 22:24 in Matthew 11:25 27 5th in Luke 10:23 24:29 in Matthew 13:16 17 the Lord's Prayer 6th in Luke 11:2 4 6th in Matthew 6:9 13 Ask, Seek, Knock 7th in Luke 1124 6th in Matthew 6 9:13 Beelzebub Controversy 8th in Luke 11:14 23:20 5th in Matthew 12:22 30 Return of an unclean Spirit 9th in Luke 11:24 26:28th in Matthew 12:43 45 Request for a sign 10th in Luke 11:16 29:32 27th in Matthew 12:38 42 the lamp and the bushel 11th in Luke 11:33 2nd in Matthew 5:15 Eye and Light 12th in Luke 11:34 36 8th in Matthew 6:22 23 the Prophets Tombs 13th in Luke 11:47 48 40th in Matthew 23:29 32 Wisdom's Oracle 14th in Luke 11:49 51 41st in Matthew 23:34 36 Blocking the Way 15th in Luke 11:52 39th in Matthew 23:13 Veiled and Unveiled 16th in Luke 201223 16th in Matthew 10:26 27 God and Sparrows 17th in Luke 1247 17th in Matthew 102831 before the Father 18th in Luke 1289 18th in Matthew 103233 Blasphemies 19th in Luke 1210 20th in Matthew 1232 Spirit Under Trial 20th in Luke 121112 15th in Matthew 1019 On Anxieties 21st in Luke 122231 10th in Matthew 62533 On Possessions 22nd in Luke 123334 7th in Matthew 61921 Homeowner and the Burglar 23 Luke 12394044 In Matthew 244344 Unexpected Return 24th in Luke 124246 45th in Matthew 244551 Peace or Conflict 20 25th in Luke 12495153 19th in Matthew 103436 Knowing the Times 26th in Luke 125456 31st in Matthew 1623 before the Judge 27th in Luke 125759 4th in Matthew 52526 Mustard Seed in Leaven 28th in Luke 131821 30th in Matthew 133133 The Two Gates 29th in Luke 132427 12th in Matthew 713 and 14 and 2223 Dining with Patriarchs 30th in Luke 132830 13th in Matthew 811122016 Jerusalem Indicted 31st in Luke 13343542 In Matthew 233739 Promotion and Demotion 32 In Luke 1411 and 1814 38th in Matthew 2312 The Feast 33rd in Luke 141624 37th in Matthew 22110 Hating One's Family 34th in Luke 142627 and 1733 25th in Matthew 103739 Saltless Salt 35th in Luke 143435 1st in Matthew 513 Lost Sheep and Coin 36th in Luke 1541034 In Matthew 1812132 37th in Luke 1613 9th in Matthew 624 God's Rule and Violence 38th in Luke 1616 22nd in Matthew 111213 Not One Seraph 39th in Luke 1617 3rd in Matthew 518 On Divorce 40th in Luke 1618 5th in Matthew 532 Millstone Award 41st in Luke 1712 33rd in Matthew 186 and 7 Scold and Forgive 42nd in Luke 173434 In Matthew 18152122 Mountains into the Sea 43rd in Luke 17632 Matthew 1720 Coming of the Son of Adam 44th in Luke 17:22 24:26 30:34 and 35 and 37:44th in Matthew 24:26 and 28:37 and 39 and 41 entrusted money 45th in Luke 19:12 26:46 in Matthew 25:14:30 and on 12: Thrones 46th in Luke 22:28:36 Matthew 19:28 and just to repeat, many people just think, hey, get rid of Q. It's easier that way. Is it? Which would be easier for Luke inserting.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: A list of sayings into his story wherever he wanted?
[00:12:50] Speaker A: Or carefully comparing Mark and Matthew not just line by line, but identifying every.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: Saying in Matthew that is not in.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Mark by looking through all of Mark time after time and then deciding where to place it.
